A philosophical conversation with Lord Krishna

Krishna is the archetypal mythological divine personality.

Humans throughout their history have been questioning their own origins for a really long time now.

Because of this endless questioning and philosophical inquiring, mankind created countless of these similar divine personalities.

Divine personalities which we have been talking about cross-culturally around the world, most likely for a very long time, before any form of ink ever hit any paper.

However some of these divine personalities are more exaggerated than others, this is because some prehistoric civilizations were philosophically far more advanced than others.

While most primitive cultures personified certain natural phenomena like stars, animals, elements and nature spirits, based on their observations of nature.

Other more philosophically empowered cultures like the Greeks, Jews, Romans, Germans, Chinese and Vedic Aryans had more comprehensive mythologies.

Mythologies that not only explain natural phenomena, but deeper aspects of our physical life, like for example the existence of the Divine Realm, Life after Death, Reincarnation and the Soul.

Krishna is one of these philosophically empowered myths.

He doesn’t represent a mere aspect of existence, he represents existence itself.

Krishna represents the Ultimate Divine Personality from which all other entities came forth.

He is the Source of all Creation and the story that the sages of the past left us is that Krishna, the Ultimate Divine Personality, came down to Earth in human form in order to talk with us.

A sort of Christlike figure, but sent to the Aryans, not to the Semites.

He talks like Christ too and uses His own personal authority to provide mankind with divine guidance.

It is the same archetypal story, just a different time and place.

The following conversation takes place a couple of thousand years ago, on a nice little battlefield called ‘Kurukshetra’ (Northern-India) between Krishna and a man named Arjuna, before the actual battle starts.

During this conversation, the warrior prince Arjuna, makes it clear to his friend and charioteer (Krishna) that he does not want to fight his family members on the other side of the field.

He already mourns their death, long before the battle ever takes place.

To which Krishna replies with the following words.

श्रीभगवानुवाच | अशोच्यानन्वशोचस्त्वं प्रज्ञावादांश्च भाषसे | गतासूनगतासूंश्च नानुशोचन्ति पण्डिता: ॥11॥

Lord Krishna the Supreme Personality said:

“While speaking learned words, you are mourning for what is not worthy of grief. Those who are wise lament neither for the living nor the dead.”

– Bhagavad Gita 2:11

The wise ones Krishna is speaking of are those who have understood the fleeting value of physical life and that it was not meant to last to begin with. Everybody knows that death is at every corner and every creature that crawls upon the Earth shall inevitably die.

This is the inevitable reality of life, and the beginning of wisdom, is our complete acceptance of it.

The first time I ever read this, I personally thought it was kind of harsh and unrealistic, but the older I become the more I realize how fleeting life in this world is.

And how fast time really flies by.

The endless struggle for material wealth, in a world that will crumble anyway, seems almost ridiculous from the standpoint of being “death”.

न त्वेवाहं जातु नासं न त्वं नेमे जनाधिपा | न चैव न भविष्याम: सर्वे वयमत: परम् ॥12॥

“Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor any of these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.”

– Bhagavad Gita 2:12

The Divine Personality which we in this case refer to as “Lord Krishna” tells us that there literally wasn’t any period in eternity, that any of us didn’t existed.

We’ve ALWAYS existed, and that is the beauty of life.

Life is eternal and abundant.

We’ve existed throughout endless past birth’s and death’s, in an endless cyclical wheel of Universal Karma which in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism is referred to as “Samsara”.

The cycle of death and rebirth, from which liberation in the end means Union with God or the Source of All Existence.

This is what Jesus referred to with “Being Born Again”, it means entering into the eternal world of Spirit and leaving behind the physical realm, with it’s deteriorating and dying qualities.

“Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.”
– John 3:5

The crux of the story is that we basically never stop existing, there is always some sort of conscious experience of life, even though we lack physical bodies.

That which remains according to Krishna is the Self, the Atman or the Eternal Soul within each and every single Being in the Universe.

This is your personal consciousness, your viewpoint into the physical realm of matter and energy.

This is what endlessly reincarnates into different experiences.

देहिनोऽस्मिन्यथा देहे कौमारं यौवनं जरा | तथा देहान्तरप्राप्तिर्धीरस्तत्र न मुह्यति ॥13॥

“As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change.”

– Bhagavad Gita 2:13

Most people might not realize this, but if you’re twenty years old then you probably have had 2 or 3 entirely different bodies already.

Our bodies change themselves every seven to ten years completely.

All cells, all organs, all bones, all connective tissues, and anything else replaces itself continuously in your body throughout your life.

If you can’t realize this then try to contemplate upon the fact that your hair, skin and nails grow all the time.

What happens to your skin when you cut or scrape yourself?

What has been happening throughout all your life, as soon as you had a wound…

Think about it.

It repairs itself, your body restores itself to it’s own initial genetic blueprint, like a biological architect that has figured it all out.

Even the fact that you have been growing from the infant stage into a full-grown adult says enough about “your body”.

We do not have a body my friends, it is all an illusion from a molecular/cellular/subatomic/microscopic standpoint.

Your body does not exist, it is more emptiness than anything else.

It is an illusion my fellow spirit-beings.

We are consciousness, not bodyness.

Krishna makes it clear, don’t value your physical identity and your flesh and bone body more than your internal consciousness, because that is the Spirit that drives your evolution forward.

The body is a mere natural tool, nothing more and nothing less.

You will not take your body with you after death, but eventually receive a new one accordingly.

Just like you already will have had, 10 completely different bodies by the time you are 70, and that’s only in ONE single lifetime.

These things are not strange or new to a wise and sober person.

But then again, who the hell is wise and sober these days?

मात्रास्पर्शास्तु कौन्तेय शीतोष्णसुखदु: खदा: | आगमापायिनोऽनित्यास्तांस्तितिक्षस्व भारत ॥14॥

“The non-permanent appearance of happiness and distress, their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed.”

Just like the body is not a permanent and not even a solid entity. Our experience of what we call every day reality is in actuality nothing but an illusion.

So-called happiness and moments of intense joy fleet away, like night and day.

And all suffering you’ve ever experienced was nothing but your own estimation of the situation.

In the end, it was never as bad as you thought it was.

“If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.”

– Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

We only perceive things when they’re happening and when they happen, we must learn to deal with them.

Happiness and unhappiness are mere temporary moments of perception, nothing more and nothing less.

Life goes on and as Bob Marley said:

“Don’t worry about a thing, because every little thing, is gonna be alright”

Happiness and distress are never permanent.

They will never last forever.

People that tell everyone that they’re so happy with their lives are plain liars.

Nobody on Earth is happy, happiness is a fleeting emotion just like unhappiness is.

And as time passes by, happiness turns into distress and distress turns into unhappiness and unhappiness eventually returns back to happiness.

It is an endless circle of sense perception.

Just because you ate a huge meal today, doesn’t mean that you won’t go hungry tomorrow.

यं हि न व्यथयन्त्येते पुरुषं पुरुषर्षभ | समदु:खसुखं धीरं सोऽमृतत्वाय कल्पते ॥15॥

“O best among men, the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly fit for liberation.”

– Bhagavad Gita 2:15

Happiness and distress are as we’ve discussed before, nothing but causal effects that arise from sense perceptions.

The word for liberation that has been used in this sentence is
“अमृतत्व”, which is Sanskrit and literally translates itself into English as “immortality”.

However what is meant here is not physical immortality, but physical freedom from the cycle of birth and death.

The dissolution of life with a physical body and the entry into the realm of Divine Spirit.

“For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.”

– 1 Peter 1:23

Jesus brought the exact same teaching as Krishna did of enduring happiness and distress in the same way, through the power of faith.

This is what will lead to the Ultimate Freedom that everybody is looking for without realizing it.

All human endeavors are nothing but an unconscious drive towards freedom from the physical prison, we call our body.

However we tend to interpret this drive for freedom as something physical instead of spiritual, which is the cause of our bondage.

The only people that will truly experience freedom are people that don’t desire anything causing them not to be sucked into the endless roller-coaster of up’s and down’s in life.

This might sound harsh but life is nothing but hard.

It is meant to be this way because physical existence is not natural.

“but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel. And of this gospel I was appointed a herald and an apostle and a teacher. That is why I am suffering as I am.”

– Paul the Apostle, 2 Timothy 1:10-12

It is a psychological mental prison, causing you to believe that you’re nothing but a flesh and bone body.

Perpetuating the endless cycle of death and rebirth, suffering and desire.

All religions believe this, the fact that most people don’t know this, is because it has always been hidden from the dumb’d down masses.

But every religion will come to the same conclusion…

“Life is suffering” – The Buddha.

The purpose of life is to learn to tolerate all emotion and mental disturbances.

नासतो विद्यते भावो नाभावो विद्यते सत: |
उभयोरपि दृष्टोऽन्तस्त्वनयोस्तत्वदर्शिभि: ॥16॥

“Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent (the material body) there is no endurance and of the eternal (the soul) there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both.”

Bhagavad Gita 2:16

The body is constantly subject to change, even at the time of reading this, try to realize that your body is going to an intense process of constant cyclical death and rebirth.

Even in THIS life!

The body is constantly dying off and being reborn again in order to perpetuate it’s fleeting material existence.

We’re basically dying every day.

What happens if you stop eating for weeks?

You eventually die of starvation, meaning that your natural process of the physical body is to die.

Because you have to constantly keep the body alive through external energetic stimulation, from food and drink.

If you refuse to do that, you’ll die.

However whatever happens to your body, the spirit is alive always.

This is the conclusion of the sages down from all the ages.

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Ashwin Orie

I am the Mind behind the Grind.

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